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It's All On Murphy

  • Lord Orsam
  • Jul 25, 2024
  • 3 min read

Updated: Apr 17, 2025

Five weeks after my Let's Talk About the Receipt post, not a single diary or watch defender wants to talk about Albert Johnson's receipt for the watch. Just fancy that. A blanket wall of silence. Don't they want to discuss the watch, then?


Well, the day after my post, Hartley posted his own poorly researched blog post in which he claimed to "investigate" whether the watchmaker was Verity of Lancaster but, in typical Hartley style, for which he is famous, failed to comprehend what I had clearly shown, namely that the name engraved on the movement of a Victorian watch is not going to be that of the watchmaker but that of the watch finisher or retailer.


Critically, we've not had an image of the watch receipt from July 1992 provided. One has to wonder why not.


In the meantime, Caroline Morris-Brown thinks she's proved that the Maybrick scratches were added onto the watch before July 1992 but she doesn't seem to realize how heavily dependent she is on the honesty and accuracy of one man: Ron Murphy.


She wrote on JTR Forums on 18th June 2024:


"no further research into the watch could help to support the case for the diary being a 1992 Barrett fake. It would certainly refute that nonsense if all the scratches were indeed in the watch by then, as the evidence provided by the Murphys and Drs Wild and Turgoose indicates."


Sure, the Turgoose report says that "the vast majority of superficial surface scratches" (not all of them!) were applied to the watch after the Maybrick markings. But what Turgoose couldn't do was tell us how much longer after the Maybrick markings were added to the watch those scratches were applied. If the forger put the Maybrick markings on the watch, then immediately overlaid those markings with scratches, that knocks out the evidence of Turgoose (and Wild who adds little) on this issue.


So we are left with Ron Murphy, the only person who (vaguely) claims to have seen scratches on the inside back cover of the watch prior to selling it to Albert Johnson on an uncertain date.


If his recollection is faulty or he is downright lying, the only thing left which supposedly tells us the Maybrick markings are old is the obviously flawed evidence about the brass particles found by Turgoose. Even Turgoose said that, "there are no features observed which conclusively prove the age of the engravings".


Ron Murphy's own recollections are inconsistent. In 1993, he was "almost certain" that there were scratches on the watch, which means he wasn't entirely certain, yet in 1997 he told Shirley Harrison for the first time that he had attempted to buff out those scratches which, four years earlier, he hadn't even been 100% certain were even there.


Furthermore, and this is the incredible part, according to Caroline Morris-Brown herself, Ron Murphy was a thoroughly dishonest jeweller who bought the watch at some point after 9 March 1992 (presumably from Eddie Lyons) believing it was a stolen watch and then lied about the provenance of this watch when signing a statement in 1993 and lied again when speaking to Shirley Harrison in 1997, claiming the watch had been in his family's possession since the 1980s. Yet, she trusts him entirely when he claims that he could recall scratches being on the watch!


She doesn't care about the fact that Ron was visited by Albert and his criminal brother Robbie in private and in secret in 1993 when his memory of the scratches could have been "influenced" in some way by those two. For all we know, his immediate reaction was that he couldn't remember any scratches but was persuaded in that secret meeting that he could do so.


We've never seen the receipt that Albert possessed for the watch, we've never seen any of Ron Murphy's documentation relating to the watch and we don't seem to know for sure on what date it was sold to Albert. The man to whom the watch was sent for repair, who can have no reason to lie, thinks it was a different watch entirely.


Given that all the diary defenders have gone into hiding and can't seem to bring themselves to assist with this problem I guess we'll never know.


LORD ORSAM 25 July 2024





 
 
 

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Jul 25, 2024

If Murphy had bought the watch from Eddie Lyons, he would have filled out an invoice for the purchase for his own records. It would have been a business expense that he could deduct from his taxes, and if the watch turned out to be stolen, he could have demanded (by law) a refund from Lyons. As far as I know, there is no UK law against buying a watch from a man off the street, so how is Murphy supposed to have known that Eddie Lyons was a sneak thief?


The diary's supporters must believe that Lyons and Murphy were involved in a criminal enterprise in which Murphy knowingly bought stolen goods to resell, otherwise why would Murphy have…


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Lord Orsam
Jul 25, 2024
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When, in March 2018, I confronted the world's leading expert on the watch with the fact that she must be saying that Murphy was a dishonest jeweller who dealt in stolen property, she went into a tailspin of outrage (calling me a "fibber") and spewed out mealy mouthed and evasive mumbo jumbo, saying:


"All I have suggested is that if Murphy bought the watch in early 1992 from someone calling into his shop, and sold it on in the July, it would be perfectly understandable why he might be wary when that customer returned the following summer to show him the scratch marks inside the back and ask him about the thing's history. It would have been a completely normal…


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The Sagar Saga: Finding the Missing Ling

In January 1905, former City detective inspector Robert Sagar, who had just retired, apparently gave interviews to reporters of four London newspapers in which he spoke of his knowledge of Jack the Ripper. 

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The articles containing these interviews, while very similar (indicating that they must have taken place at the same time) are all, nevertheless, a little bit different from each other and, in October 2020, Chris Phillips prepared a helpful comparison of the four reports featured side by side, which can be found here [Chris has now updated them to include the Evening News here].  He had, however, only located three reports from London newspapers, but was aware that there must have been a fourth report because such a report (different from the other three) was carried by some American newspapers, hence he included the Seattle Daily Times (of 4 February 1905) as his fourth report.

I have, however, now located the additional report in a London newspaper.  It was in the Evening News of Saturday, 7 January 1905.  It's not identical to the Seattle Daily Times report but it's close enough, especially in respect of the bit about Jack the Ripper, that, for comparison purposes, what Chris has labelled the Seattle Times report, can be regarded as the Evening News report.  There are, nevertheless, some important differences between the two which I will be discussing. 

So the four "interview" reports with Sagar that we have, are:

1. City Press of Saturday, 7 January, 1905.

2. Evening News of Saturday, 7 January, 1905.

3. Morning Leader of Monday, 9 January, 1905.

4. Daily News of Monday, 9 January, 1905 

A quick glance through these reports reveals that one of them is, curiously, very different to the others.

While the reports in the Evening News, Morning Leader and Daily News all contain quotes from Sagar, the City Press does not.  Its report is written purely in the third person, with no hint that its reporter had ever even spoken to the former detective.

The Morning Leader on the other hand tells us that, 'To a "Morning Leader" representative Mr. Sagar related some of his experiences'.  The Daily News is even more explicit as to when its reporter spoke to Sagar.  Hence, we are told that Sagar spoke to 'a representative of 'The Daily News on Saturday'.

That would seem to make sense.  All four reporters spoke to Robert Sagar on Saturday, 7 January 1905, right?

WRONG!

That's impossible. 

The City Press newspaper was published early on Saturday morning, so that it could not possibly have interviewed Sagar on Saturday and carried a report of the interview in its Saturday edition.  Here is the proof that the City Press was published on Saturday morning in January 1905:

Sagar 2.jpg

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